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  • dan472b
    started a topic Coulda been better

    Coulda been better

    Here are a couple of things to consider before we get to the National.
    I would think this is easy/old news to most but maybe not .

    1. Yellow flags.
    a. Enforce the rule if it’s going to be a rule.
    b. Pay enough attention ( team of race directors... not one race director that is slammed busy) to notice when rules are being broken.
    3 times in two laps I checked up on jumps to insure I wouldn’t land on someone. In all three instances I was either passed or competition made time on me because they didn’t check up.
    c. Is it that much of a challenge to educate flangers that they only have to flag their section rather than standing at a jump face flagging for an incident that is 2 turns away. Fugg!

    2. Multiple gate drops and get the fugg out of the way of you ain’t here to race.
    a. For the Oatfield, if there are going to be multiple classes on one gate and or multiple classes in a single Moto, we need to let the gate guys know to drop the second gate once the first gate is further down the track.
    In race 1 moto2 today (second gate), we had caught riders from the first gate before we landed from the very first jump on the track . Between back markers checking up and yellow flags everywhere, a straight up honest race was not to be had.
    b. Riders, if you give up ( it was easy to get tired today) a standard courtesy is to move over and out of the race line. Please consider that others may still be pushing.

    Better Luck? Next time.
    Last edited by dan472b; 04-14-2019, 02:57 PM.

  • Kevin127s
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    As far as holding your line, you cant compare what the pros do to what Vet amateurs should do. The pros know where the main race line is and how to get out of it. We dont have one main race line. Being in the masters/expert class practices and being one of the older riders I am usually getting passed while sometimes doing the passing. So I agree, Holding your line is always the best option as well as passing with caution imo.

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  • Kevin729s
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    I am very frustrated with how the gate was run on the 30/38 Nov. gate drop. There was one gate drop for the 30/38 Nov and a second for 45 Nov. All moto 1.
    1. All the 30 Nov where given first gate pick over the 38 Nov. regardless of when you signed up, for moto1. Both classes where then on the same gate drop.
    2. If we are gonna continue to run the 30/38s together on the same gate drop then just go to one age class. (30s, 40s, 50s etc.)
    After getting a 21st gate pic in a mud hole, despite signing up on Saturday, I had a really bad start then had no idea who I was racing and who I was not. I’ve been in the club for over 10 years, this is not what I joined for. I joined the race with people my own age and ability. I joined to race, have fun and still be able to make it to work in one piece on Monday. The format was not conducive to that in my opinion. I chose not to ride the second moto, I just didn’t feel like it was a good situation to be in. I heard the 30/38 int. where in the same boat. I hope as an organization we can find a way to resolve this issue.
    Finally- hold your line, if your have a good race craft, you will be able to get around slower riders.

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  • Andrew225s
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    As someone who gets notoriously horrible starts I often end up getting stuck behind slower riders and the worst thing you can do is move over. hold your line and for the love of God if your not jumping a jump that other people are stay to the far left or right! That's all I got
    Last edited by Andrew225s; 04-17-2019, 04:13 PM.

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  • Rob313s
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    Glad to see some things never change dan! So you’re still racing on Sunday and critiquing on Monday ?. Lol! Be good to see you again and line up on the gate like old times. Just no more comlaining about me not being an intermediate...deal? ?. One thing... I raced their for our opener., did amp run the whole track or was it shortened up becaue of mud condition still? I was looking at lap times and seems like you top three guys were clicking along✌️

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  • dan472b
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    Thanks for getting it Troy.

    I’ve been doing some racing down south where the pro’s and I are on the course at the same time. At the speed these guys are going, I learned quickly to get out of the way ASAP . Usually when one comes by, several others are moments away.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xluXBCXXSeA

    At the 5:21 mark, Robby Bell blows by me like I’m standing still.

    Much of Sunday’s frustration was due to multiple gates on the course at once and folks not knowing exactly who they were racing against.

    That and the yellow flag jumping blew out what was an extremely “ On” day for me. Those on days get further and fewer in between anymore.

    Ultimately I’ll hope that this post directs more attention to both issues for the National.

    Thanks for listening.

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  • Matt551b
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    I saw a bit of both here. I'm in favor of debates like this as long as our point of reference is more video like this. That was awesome!

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  • tcardiel
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    Understand that you have frustrations about the race Sunday. Flaggers, that is AMP's department and they are the people who have to train them at the job at hand, it is a challenge for them to find people who want to sit out at a track all day and have an important job as flagging, many of the good ones dont come back for long. So yes it is challanging, but that is something we will talk with AMP about for the national. The 2 workers that drop the gate and that hold the 1 minute board, they are very new to doing this, AMP's other 2 that were with them for many years are gone now. That is something else we will talk to AMP about to spread the gate drops out a little more so 2nd gate doesnt catch the first gate, but that is also challenging cause if they have a specific point where they are going to drop the gate at each split gate the faster classes will catch the 2nd gate too soon in the moto so that one is a catch 22. As far as a team of race directors, we only have a 1 main race director and a assistant. It is hard to have a team of them when no body wants to volunteer for the position. So we are limited this year, yes it is hard to see every rule that is broken out on the track, but if you got passed 3 times because of the yellow flag please bring it to the race directors attention (not the promoters) so we can at least talk to the riders and enforce the rules. My only advice for your aggrevation about slower riders getting out of the race line is my years of racing I have seen more riders get hurt trying to get out of they way than holding their line, its better to take a couple more turns to get around them than have them take out your front wheel and high side you trying to move over and your the one injured. I rather take a few more turns myself to get around them then be on the ground cause they didnt know exactly where you were to move to move out of the way, cause that has happened to me and that is more frustrating than just taking more time to get around them.

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  • Paul377S
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    The hold your line would be awesome. Especially on jumps.

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  • Woods404s
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    Originally posted by dan472b View Post
    What does a blue flag mean? Does it mean hold your line?

    The faster rider will get around you thing applies to a condition where you have an entirely different skill level with you on the course.

    Besides those points, the root of today’s issue was the second gate being dropped to early.

    Today, the second gate had caught up to traffic before the 5th turn on the track. That should be an easy one to fix as long as the team is aware and makes a point of taking action .
    Something like the last rider on gate one has to reach point A ( my suggestion would be 3 turns before the step up) , before the second gate is dropped.
    Then you would be complaining you got lapped by the first gate

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  • dan472b
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    That’s funny. I watch the same video and see riders nearly pulling off the track to get out of the way.

    I don’t remember a request for erratic. movements.

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  • Larry63r
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    Yep! Three perfect examples of lapped riders holding their line and not making erratic moves on the track!
    Exactly as I said!

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  • dan472b
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjxe0fTIwzc

    several examples of “ getting out of the way “ in a race.

    Andrew, this is not directed at you.

    This video has Larry’s name all over it.

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  • dan472b
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    What does a blue flag mean? Does it mean hold your line?

    The faster rider will get around you thing applies to a condition where you have an entirely different skill level with you on the course.

    Besides those points, the root of today’s issue was the second gate being dropped to early.

    Today, the second gate had caught up to traffic before the 5th turn on the track. That should be an easy one to fix as long as the team is aware and makes a point of taking action .
    Something like the last rider on gate one has to reach point A ( my suggestion would be 3 turns before the step up) , before the second gate is dropped.

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  • Ryan305b
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    [QUOTE=dan472b;n979

    b. Pay enough attention ( team of race directors... not one race director that is slammed busy) to notice when rules are being broken.
    3 times in two laps I checked up on jumps to insure I wouldn’t land on someone. In all three instances I was either passed or competition made time on me because they didn’t check up
    .[/QUOTE]

    I just want to speak regarding the race directors and this is just my personal opinion. Yes we can get very busy having to watch a lot of things during the race. We try to do the best we can and document as much as we can but we do miss things. The yellow flag thing can be a topic we discuss or reaffirm at the riders meeting as well. Flaggers can be frustrating but we gotta make the best of what the promoter has available. I do think Corkey adding that light before the big step up was a great idea but when it was activated it was very very dim. If he can make the flashing red light more visible it may help get the attention of the riders or move it little further away from the face of the jump so the riders that time to cut it off instead of being fully committed.
    Last edited by Ryan305b; 04-14-2019, 09:06 PM.

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